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June 13, 2023 Bible Study — One Good Point Doesn’t Make the Entire Argument Correct

Today, I am reading and commenting on  Job 16-21.

One of the things I have written about the Book of Job in the past is that I am unsure if we are intended to understand it as events which actually happened, or if it is a story which God inspired someone to write in order to teach us important lessons.  However, even though I am unsure which is correct, I have always written about the Book of Job as if each of those mentioned were real people who carried on the conversation recorded here,  I realized today that there is some value in reading, and thinking about, the Book of Job as if each of the characters mentioned represent different ways of thinking about God and how He interacts with people.  The best part about this latter approach is that it does not require that the people mentioned not be actual people who said the things written here.

Having said that, in today’s passage Job discusses two of the things which are uniquely his viewpoint.  First, he represents those who seek God, even though they are suffering.  He realizes that in order for any mortal to approach God they will need someone to speak on their behalf (as he had expressed in yesterday’s passage).  Further, he tells us that he does indeed have such an intercessor, One who truly cares about him.  Our Intercessor will plead with God on our behalf and request that God exercise His power in our lives.  A request we can be sure will be granted, since our Intercessor is God Himself in the form of Jesus Christ.

Second, Job complains that the wicked do not suffer for their wickedness.  He says this in contrast to the claim by his friends that the wicked always suffer (they imply that if one suffers it must be because they are wicked),  Job goes on to say that not only do the wicked commit sins, the openly defy God and suffer no consequences.  Job has a point, but one which  we must think carefully about.  Yes, it often appears that the wicked suffer no consequences for their wickedness, but we must consider whether this is actually true.  If we truly believe that God has our best interests in mind (which I do), then we know that there is greater happiness and joy to be had by following His commands then by seeking pleasure through sin.

I use the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

June 13, 2022 Bible Study — In My Flesh, I Will See God, And So Will The Wicked

Today, I am reading and commenting on  Job 16-21.

As I have read the Book of Job time and again in order to write this blog each year I have become convinced that it is only toward the end of this passage that Job begins to say things for which God rebukes him at the end of the book.  In his first two monologues in today’s passage, Job acknowledges that he has an intercessor/advocate who stands before God pleading his case.  The following statement from the first of Job’s three monologues in this passage expresses the great hope which all Christians have in Christ:

Even now my witness is in heaven;

  my advocate is on high.

My intercessor is my friend
    as my eyes pour out tears to God;
on behalf of a man he pleads with God
    as one pleads for a friend.

Yet even after hearing Job’s plea that their arguments offer him no comfort, nor provide him with a path to reduce his suffering, Bildad continues to argue that the righteous will prosper and that those who suffer are wicked.  To which, Job replies that such an argument offers him no comfort because God denies him justice, which is the point where Job begins to say things which lead God to rebuke him at the end (although not as great of a rebuke as that which God gives to his friends).  But even here Job expresses a thought which every Christian I know holds dear.

I know that my redeemer lives,
    and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
And after my skin has been destroyed,
    yet in my flesh I will see God;
I myself will see him
    with my own eyes—I, and not another.

It is only after Zophar once more makes the claim that the wicked always suffer upon this earth that Job points out that this is not the case.  Sometimes, often times, it seems as if the wicked do not suffer in this life at all.  Perhaps the thing we can most do to comfort ourselves about the wicked who seem to live a life of ease with no concerns is remember, that for them the promise that they will see God with their own eyes is not something which gives joy.

I use the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

June 13, 20221 Bible Study I Know That My Redeemer Lives And On The Earth Will Stand

Today, I am reading and commenting on  Job 16-21.

In chapter 16 Job says that his witness, his advocate, his intercessor is in heaven pleading with God on his behalf.  Then in chapter 19, he further says that he knows his redeemer lives and on the earth will stand (the basis for a great hymn of faith and hope).  Further, Job says that he knows that he will see God with his own eyes after his death (a statement which tells us that we will be resurrected with physical bodies).  These are great prophetic statements about the coming of Christ and things which should offer Believers in Him comfort when they experience suffering.

Job starts out his response in today’s passage by telling his friends that what they are saying offers him no comfort.  He makes the point that when people are suffering we should strive to comfort them and offer them relief from their suffering, not condemn them for their past sins.  And his friends reacted to what he said by assuming that it was established that he was a great sinner and going on from there.  The statements made by Job’s friends do not address anything which Job said.  Instead they argue as if Job denied that God punishes sinners. And Job, in his anger at their failure to listen to him, begins to call into question God’s justice. Yet, even so, he still makes his great statements of faith which I talked about in the first paragraph.

I use the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

June 13, 2020 Bible Study If Death Is the End, There Is No Hope

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

Today, I am reading and commenting on Job 16-21.

I struggle to fully understand what Job says in his monologues.  On the one hand, he accuses God of unjustly punishing him.  On the other hand, he calls on God to make the case for his innocence, and appears to believe that God will do so.  He throws himself on the mercy of God, after proclaiming that God has failed to show him mercy.  This apparent contradiction in Job’s statements is consistent with a person suffering greatly.

In both Bildad’s and Zophar’s arguments in today’s passage we can learn an important lesson.  Neither of their arguments actually address what Job had said.  They have gotten caught up in the argument and have forgotten their purpose in arguing with Job.  They had begun with good, although misplaced, intent.  They started out trying to convince Job of taking actions which they believed would relieve his suffering.  Which brings us a lesson we should take to heart: when we get into an argument we must be careful not to get so caught up in winning the argument that we forget why we were arguing our position in the first place.

Finally, I had always thought that Job believed that death was the end, that once one died everything was over for that person.  I thought that what he says in chapter 17 verses 13-16 represented his belief that there was no reason for hope.  However, today I read it more as a warning that those who take the position that there is no afterlife have no hope.  I see in this statement by Job a parallel to what Paul writes when he says that if Christ did not rise from the dead than His followers are the most miserable of people.   I see Job as saying here that if there is no resurrection from the dead, there is no hope for anyone.  In fact in chapter 19 verses 25-27 he expresses just such a hope, a hope which is fulfilled in Christ.  He says that he knows that his Redeemer lives and that, after his death, he will see God in his own body.  This is the hope which those of us who believe in Christ have.  No matter what suffering we may endure on this earth, death is not the end and we will stand before God once more.

June 13, 2019 Bible Study — I Know That My Redeemer Lives

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

Today, I am reading and commenting on Job 16-21.

Job’s friends had come to him to comfort him, but they got caught up in trying to help him and forgot.  They got so caught up in convincing him that he had sinned that they did not stopped doing anything to comfort him.  Job further points out that strangers who know nothing about him mock him and make his life worse.  An important lesson for us, we should never judge those we do not know who are suffering.  We should not assume that those who are suffering deserve their suffering.  And we should seek to comfort those who are suffering even if we know they deserve the suffering, because we too have sinned and deserve to suffer.

Previously Job had cried out wishing that he had a mediator between himself and God.  In today’s passage he declares that he does have an advocate and mediator in heaven.  Also previously Job had asked the rhetorically  if someone who had died could live again, with the answer he would give being “No”.  However, today he declares that he knows the his Redeemer lives and will one day stand upon this earth.  Moreover, Job declares  that after he dies and his body decays he will, in his body, see God.  There is a great old hymn hymn which expresses what this means to those of us who believe in Christ:

Verse 1:
I know that my Redeemer liveth,
And on the earth again shall stand;
I know eternal life He giveth,
That grace and power are in His hand.
Chorus:
I know, I know that Jesus liveth,
And on the earth again shall stand;
I know, I know that life He giveth,
That grace and power are in His hand.
Verse 2:
I know His promise never faileth,
The word He speaks, it cannot die;
Tho’ cruel death my flesh assaileth,
Yet I shall see Him by and by.
[Chorus]
Verse 3:
I know my mansion He prepareth,
That where He is there I may be;
Oh, wondrous thought, for me He careth,
And He at last will come for me.
[Chorus]

And that is the comfort those who believe in Christ can take whenever they suffer: They can indeed know that their Redeemer lives and will again stand upon the earth.  I know that some day I will stand before God and any suffering or misery I experienced in life will disappear.

 

June 13, 2018 Bible Study — Do Not Judge On Outward Appearances and Remember That Our Redeemer Lives!

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

Today, I am reading and commenting on Job 16-21.

    Job once more complains that instead of offering him comfort in his suffering, his friends accuse him of unspecified, but horrible, sins. Everyone assumes that he is some kind of reprehensible person because of the misfortune he has suffered. We should take this to heart and remember not to assume that those who are poor and/or sick have done something to deserve their suffering. We should treat them as individuals and learn their specific circumstances before reaching any kind of judgment. We should not assume that the homeless person is homeless because of their own actions, even though that is true for most of them. Even if those who are suffering are doing so because of their own sins, we should strive to have mercy on them; it is not our place to punish people for their sins. Let us leave that to God.

    Bildad and Zophar both repeat the idea that the wicked inevitably suffer for their wickedness. While I do indeed believe that there is truth to this, Job points out that the wicked often appear to prosper, even when disaster strikes the wicked often seem to come through unscathed. Sometimes, it even seems as if their wickedness provides them the means to avoid suffering. Further, Job points out that we often praise the wicked. Even after they have died and no longer have the power to harm us for speaking of the evil they have done we often speak glowingly of them. Let us learn not to judge people as righteous because they are prosperous and powerful, doing so grinds the salt in the wounds of those they have abused.

    I cannot end my discussion of this passage without touching on one of the great statements of faith. Despite his suffering and torment, despite the depression Job clearly struggled with, he said something astoundingly inspiring:

But as for me, I know that my Redeemer lives,
and he will stand upon the earth at last.

And after my body has decayed,
yet in my body I will see God![a]

I will see him for myself.
Yes, I will see him with my own eyes.
I am overwhelmed at the thought!

I hope that you too know that your Redeemer lives. If not, I pray that God will reveal Himself to you. The knowledge that God has provided us with a Redeemer who will mediate between us and Him provides us with the hope to continue to strive to overcome depression.

June 13, 2017 Bible Study — I Know That My Redeemer Lives

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

Today, I am reading and commenting on Job 16-21.

    Job once more points out that his friends’ accusations that he is a sinner offer him no comfort. It only makes his suffering worse. Anybody could say the things which they say, but those things offer no comfort to those who are suffering. Instead of criticism for past mistakes we should seek to offer encouragement to those who are suffering. When we encounter those who are suffering, let us not condemn them for the actions which we believe led them to their suffering. Instead, let us seek to comfort them. Let us intercede with God in prayer for them and seek His guidance on how to bring them comfort and encouragement.

    Despite the fact that in yesterday’s passage Job asked the rhetorical question, “Can the dead live again?” for which the answer was, “No,” today he makes one of the great declarations about God’s salvation. One which has brought great comfort to many Christians throughout history.

But as for me, I know that my Redeemer lives,
and he will stand upon the earth at last.
And after my body has decayed,
yet in my body I will see God!
I will see him for myself.
Yes, I will see him with my own eyes.
I am overwhelmed at the thought!


What a great statement of faith! Yes, I know that my Redeemer lives and though I may die, I will see Him face to face. I am humbled by those I know who suffered and died relying on this truth and am honored that I too shall see my Redeemer, who was their Redeemer as well. I am humbled to know that He redeemed me along with those whose faith so vastly outshines my own.

June 13, 2016 Bible Study — I Know That My Redeemer Lives

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading. I had been using One Year Bible Online, but it was time for a change.

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Today, I am reading and commenting on Job 16-21.

    Job’s friends continue to argue that he must have sinned because he is suffering. Actually, they argue that the wicked always suffer and the good never do. Job replies that he is innocent and that God must defend his innocence because no one else will stand up for him. Once more Job calls for a mediator between himself and God. As Christians we know that he did indeed have an advocate in heaven who stood before God and argued on his behalf. Then in chapter 19 verses 25 through 27 Job expresses one of the great thoughts of the Bible:

But as for me, I know that my Redeemer lives,
and he will stand upon the earth at last.
And after my body has decayed,
yet in my body I will see God!
I will see him for myself.
Yes, I will see him with my own eyes.
I am overwhelmed at the thought!

This is such a great thought. One of my favorite hymns is based upon this passage. We will indeed see him for ourselves.