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April 12, 2024 Bible Study — Joab’s Actions Led to Absalom’s Rebellion

Today, I am reading and commenting on  2 Samuel 14-15.

Joab’s actions led to Absalom’s rebellion.  Joab thought he was acting in David’s interest when he convinced David to bring Absalom back from exile.  However, if he had not done so, Absalom would never have been able to set his rebellion in motion.  Even then, if Joab had not interceded with David to allow Absalom to come to his court, Absalom still would have been unable to gain traction for his rebellion.  So, while Joab thought he was doing what was best for David by reconciling him with Absalom, by doing so he allowed Absalom to set in motion his plot to usurp the throne.  One thing which is not clear to me is why Absalom attempted to usurp the throne.  If he had just waited for David to die, it seems likely he would have inherited the throne instead of Solomon.  Or, perhaps, he thought that David intended to choose Solomon.

In any case, Absalom’s actions in endearing himself to the people before he initiated his actual attempt to seize the throne gives us great warning against evil people who desire leadership roles.  Absalom put on a show and told people that he would have sided with them if he had the power to decide their case when they came to Jerusalem.  But, he never went to his father and offered his services to actually preside over such cases.  Rather than actually work to help people by taking on responsibilities, he told people that he would do what they wanted if he had the power.  If Absalom had asked David to give him authority to judge these cases, it seems likely that David would have done so.  This is a sign of a leader not to be trusted.  They are quick to tell everyone what is wrong with the current system, but make no effort to fix it.

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April 12, 2023 Bible Study — Sometimes There Is More To Being A Loyal Friend Than Helping Someone To Get What They Want

Today, I am reading and commenting on  2 Samuel 14-15.

We know from other passages that David would have liked to reduce Joab’s influence (and that of Joab’s brother) over his policies.  Yet, when I read this passage, and a couple of others which describe Joab’s actions, Joab appears to have acted in David’s interest (or, at least, what Joab perceived to be David’s interest) in every occasion but one (and in that one, Joab appears to have acted in what he believed to be the kingdom’s interest).  In this case, Joab recognized that David was saddened by Absalom being exiled.  So, Joab took action to convince David to end Absalom’s exile.  Every time I have read this passage I have wondered at David’s hostility towards Joab and his brothers.  Then today, as I was trying to put this together I realized the answer.   While Joab did what he thought was best for David and his kingdom, and sometimes got David to do what Joab knew he wanted to do, he did not seek God’s guidance in deciding what those things were.  Take this incident as an example, Joab convinced David to bring Absalom back from exile because he knew that David desired to do so.  And Joab got David to not only bring Absalom back from exile, but to recognize him as his son, and heir, once more.  These two things led to Absalom plotting to take the throne by force.  Perhaps it was this sort of encouragement by Joab which led David to sin with Bathsheba in the first place.  It was certainly Joab’s willingness to carry out David’s commands, even when they were wrong, which led to David killing Uriah.

I use the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

April 12, 2022 Bible Study –What We Can Learn About Politics From Absalom’s Coup

Today, I am reading and commenting on  2 Samuel 14-15.

As I read today’s passage I find myself thinking about several questions.  First, I wonder when Absalom began plotting his coup.  Did he begin plotting as soon as King David called him back from exile?  It appears to me that Absalom had begun plotting a coup when he reached out to Joab to enlist Joab’s aid in being allowed to leave his own estate.  Which raises the question in my mind as to what degree Joab was aware of Absalom’s efforts to become king and to what degree he approved of them?  From there I wonder whether Joab would have thrown his support behind Absalom if Absalom had asked for it?  If the answer to that question is “yes”, then Absalom’s failure to ask for Joab’s support was his first mistake.  As I think about it, I conclude that Joab would not have thrown his support behind Absalom.  If Joab would have been willing to support Absalom’s coup, Absalom would not have needed to burn Joab’s fields to get Joab to listen to him.  In another vein, I wonder as I read this if Absalom plotted to overthrow his father because he blamed David for Amnon raping his sister, or perhaps just for David’s failure to punish Amnon for that rape.

The final point I want to touch on is not a question, but a thought about why Absalom failed.  Absalom has a strategy for getting the people to back him once he had overthrown his father.  The passage describes how he had ingratiated himself with the common people.  However, the description of what happened when David fled Jerusalem illustrates Absalom’s miscalculation.  I have already touched on Absalom’s failure to get Joab’s backing for his coup, but he apparently failed to gather support from any of the other power bases of the kingdom (If I remember I may compare how those power bases split differently when I read the passage about Solomon becoming king).   First the writer highlights how the elite soldiers of King David’s army remain loyal by pointing out how a unit of Philistine mercenaries went with David into exile.  Additionally, Absalom had failed to gather any support from among the priestly caste.  The whole account of Absalom’s coup indicates that while King David had done a good job of gaining the backing of those who controlled the levers of power in Israel, he had left the rest feeling left out.

I use the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

April 12, 2021 Bible Study Joab Gets King David To Call Absalom Back From Exile

Today, I am reading and commenting on  2 Samuel 14-15.

Joab’s role in getting King David to revoke Absalom’s banishment always baffles me.  This is one of several times when Joab confronts David to get him to do what Joab believes to be in David’s, and the country’s, best interest.  Yet, there are also numerous stories where David expressed anger that he lacked the ability to get rid of Joab and his brother.  The best I can figure is that Joab and his brother did things which they believed needed to be done which David felt should not be done. In any case, every time I read this story it strikes me that King David was a poor father.  He only brought Absalom back from exile when Joab pushed him on it.  Then once Absalom had returned, David basically ignored him until Joab once more pushed him on the issue.  The best sense I can make of this story is that King David and Joab both at this point viewed Absalom as the heir apparent, intending that he would become king when David died.

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April 12, 2020 Bible Study — David Flees From Absalom

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

Today, I am reading and commenting on 2 Samuel 14-15.

This passage contains elements which have always confused me.  In particular, Joab works to get David to bring Absalom back, but then does not join Absalom in Absalom’s attempt to seize the throne.  Yet some years later, Joab joined with the attempt by Absalom’s brother to do the same thing.  I have a theory that Joab recognized that David was getting older and wanted to ensure an orderly succession by bringing Absalom back as heir to the throne.  However, Joab did not support a violent overthrow of King David.  Later, when King David was no longer able to rule, but had refused to name an heir, Joab supported David’s oldest living son taking the throne.

That being said the rest of this passage shows us why David was a successful king.  First, we have the men from Gath who want to join David in going into exile.  David tries to convince them to stay out of this dynastic dispute, but they insist, out of loyalty to David, on joining him (it would be interesting to know why these Philistines became so loyal to David).  So, we have the loyalty which David inspired in others.  Second, we have the plans which David made to keep himself informed of Absalom’s actions and to sow disruption among his advisers.  David sent the priests who chose to join him back to spy on Absalom’s councils with instructions on how they could get word to him of Absalom’s plans without anyone noticing.  Then, when one of his civilian advisers came to join him, David sent him back to offer his services to Absalom in order to give Absalom bad advice.  So, we see that King David inspired loyalty in others and knew how to use the abilities of his supporters to undermine the success of his enemies.

April 12, 2019 Bible Study — The Complex Relationship Between King David and Joab

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

Today, I am reading and commenting on 2 Samuel 14-15.

Yesterday, I commented on the role King David’s nephew Jonadab played in the events leading up to Absalom’s exile.  Today, I noticed that Joab, another one of King David’s nephews, played a significant role in Absalom’s return from exile and reconciliation with King David.  Once again we see the complex relationship between King David and Joab.  The passage tells us that Joab arranged for the woman from Tekoa to speak with King David because he knew how much David desired for Absalom to return.  Was that Joab’s real reason for this?  Or was he seeking to secure the return and rehabilitation of the person he perceived as the best candidate to be King David’s successor?  

Here Joab is presented as plotting to convince King David to do what he, David, desired to do.  The thing I am taking the most note of this year as I read these passages is the palace intrigue around King David.  Except it is not just palace intrigue.  As I read these passages, King David maintained a complex balance among the different power blocks within his kingdom.  We see that Joab made Absalom’s rebellion possible, but Joab did not support that rebellion.

Another thing struck me today.  As King David fled Jerusalem ahead of Absalom’s army, he went up the road to the Mount of Olives, the place where Jesus prayed the night before His Crucifixion.  The passage tells us that people worshiped God at the summit of the Mount of Olives.  And it was from the Mount of Olives that Jesus ascended into Heaven after His Resurrection.  While the primary reason that Jesus went to the Mount of Olives to pray the night before His Crucifixion was a matter of the geography of Jerusalem, I am also sure that the symbolism of Jesus mourning His betrayal by Judas the same place the Bible records King David mourning his betrayal is not just happenstance.

April 12, 2018 Bible Study –Personality Studies and Lessons In Leadership

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

Today, I am reading and commenting on 2 Samuel 14-15.

    I am not sure what the motives were of all of the people in this story. It is clear that once Absalom returned from exile that he began planning on becoming king. If not for the fact that Joab led David’s army against Absalom, I would suspect that Joab encouraged Absalom in his ambition. Perhaps Joab’s motives were only those presented here, that he could see that David wanted to bring his son back. In any case, once Absalom returned to Jerusalem, he sought reconciliation with his father, David, in order to begin positioning himself to become king. It seems likely that Joab wanted David to bring Absalom back from exile to be the heir apparent so that there would be a clear line of succession.

    For the most part, today’s passage gives us a greater understanding of people who played an important role in the history of Israel. However, when we look at what Absalom did between the time he was reconciled with David and when he started his rebellion we learn some things about being a leader and choosing what leaders to follow. Absalom did two things. First, he moved around in such a way as to make himself appear like a person of great importance. Second, he expressed sympathy for the problems the common man was experiencing and implied that the government was not treating their problems with the urgency which they deserved.
    So, what can we learn from this? First, those who wish to lead others need to present themselves as leaders. In addition, people will follow those who listen to and address their concerns, or, at least appear to do so. A good leader will listen to and seek to address the concerns of those whom they lead. There is also an important lesson for us when it comes to choosing leaders. Absalom presented himself as someone important who listened to people’s concerns and cared about them. However, since he had no power to do anything, he could tell people on both sides of a conflict that he would resolve the conflict in their favor if he had the power. We need to watch out for those who seek to recruit us to follow them who are merely telling us what they think we want to hear. When deciding whether to follow someone, look for where they have had the opportunity to do things and judge them based on that. Usually if someone has never done anything which allows us to judge how they will act if given authority it indicates that they will not use authority wisely.

April 12, 2017 Bible Study — God Does Not Desire That We Be Banished From His Presence

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

Today, I am reading and commenting on 2 Samuel 14-15.

    There are a couple of things which we learn from this story. First, we learn that Joab had been trying to convince David to bring Absalom back for some time. I believe that Joab did this because he perceived that Absalom living in a foreign country would be used to foment rebellion, either against David or against his successor. Second we learn that Joab had probably heard about the story Nathan used to highlight David’s sin with Bathsheba to him.

    I do not usually like to draw spiritual lessons from things said by secondary characters but I believe that the woman whom Joab used to convince David said something very profound. When she made her case for David bringing Absalom back she said the following:

Like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be recovered, so we must die. But that is not what God desires; rather, he devises ways so that a banished person does not remain banished from him.

God indeed does not desire for us to die and be forever separated from Him. He devised a way for us to be reconciled to Him through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. In addition, He uses various strategies to convince us to accept this reconciliation. It is God’s desire that no one be banished from His presence. He is seeking even now to convince those who have banished themselves from His presence to return to Him.

April 12, 2016 Bible Study — When A Father Fails To Discipline His Sons

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading. I had been using One Year Bible Online, but it was time for a change.

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Today, I am reading and commenting on 2 Samuel 14-15.

    I find it interesting that Joab conspired to bring Absalom back from exile. Perhaps he did this because he saw that David was suffering because his son was in exile. Or, perhaps he did it because he thought it bad for the kingdom for David’s now eldest son to be in another kingdom. However, despite the fact that David had Joab bring Absalom back to Jerusalem, neither David nor Joab talked to Absalom for two years after his return. I do not know what role David’s cold shoulder played in Absalom’s decision to attempt to overthrow his father, but it can’t have helped the situation. Every time I read these stories it strikes me that David was not a very good father. Three of his sons (Ammon, Absalom, and Adonijah) came to a bad end because David did not discipline them.